Public sentiment is characterized by strong skepticism and concern regarding the nuclear threats made by Pakistan's Army Chief, Asim Munir. Many commentators express disbelief and frustration towards both government rhetoric and U.S. involvement in regional tensions, emphasizing the need for diplomatic solutions over aggressive posturing. While there is a mix of anger, mockery, and cautious optimism regarding India's military strength, the overall tone reflects anxiety about the potential for catastrophic consequences stemming from these threats.

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When they cant win a war they resort to this..what a bunch of crybabies.

WonFont

Who's idea was it to allow them nuclear weapons?

TheScorchedRelic

"Our words are backed with nuclear weapons!"

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Pakistan se compare krte krte ye naubat aa gyi h, ki ye bh@dwe tak dhamki dene lage hain

Kiteretsu_miyoko

JRAH7777

"We'll take half the world down with us"?? How can a person in such a position make these kinds of statements? Langur ke haath mei angur type of situation

niyar_thememeGOD

its always funny when pakistan tries talking shit and when india strikes their terrorist camps (not like how they attacked our civilians) they run to their daddy usa for ceasefire.

HoneydewKooky996

Masala_omellete

I mean, once this pandora's box is opened, there's no stopping India from just leveling their entire nation given how shit their defense was. This is a lose lose fight for them but they lose more than we do

papa-farhan




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India and Pakistan each have about 150 nukes. The conflict continues to escalate and the Western media is hardly paying attention, despite the global calamity that would result from a regional nuclear exchange. 

There is no such thing as a contained nuclear exchange.

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StatementBot

Global cooling you say? I think we just solved climate change.

Ne0n_Dystopia

not a nuclear expert so forgive me these questions, but is there a serious possibility of these countries actually deploying nukes right now? even if they know that nukes would make things way worse for everyone almost immediately? what gains from a nuclear exchange could possibly outweigh the losses? don't want to downplay the severity of the tensions but I also want to be level headed about it

altpopconnoisseur

One of the largest dogfight in recent history. (air to air missile fight, actually, but between fighters and not drones)

[https://www.newsweek.com/india-pakistan-125-jets-clash-one-largest-dogfights-recent-history-2069570](https://www.newsweek.com/india-pakistan-125-jets-clash-one-largest-dogfights-recent-history-2069570)

Cultural-Answer-321

Maybe a conventional war over water is what's going to happen rather than a nuclear war. But this might just be copium.

Ok-Seesaw-339

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World is already on fire so might as well go out with a bang ! 😍😍🤩🤩

Archeolops

India and Pakistan each have about 150 nukes. The conflict continues to escalate and the Western media is hardly paying attention, despite the global calamity that would result from a regional nuclear exchange. 

There is no such thing as a contained nuclear exchange.

idreamofkitty

dignitydiggity

Bro i just quit ciggies argh if the nukes are coming i wish i would know so i can go get a fucking pack lmao

Vincent_Molly

This was actually on my 2022 bingo card, so I got that one wrong. A bit early...

But better late than never!

Vegetaman916

There's no one to stop them.  Pakistan and India are going to have to decide how much hate is worth and how much chaos and destruction they can stand.  There is no help coming regardless of what they do.

Faith is a proxy here.  The real issues are poverty and constant disasters.

It's not too late.

ForgiveandRemember76

If this war does go hot (or at this point, get hotter), Pakistan is unlikely to attempt any nuclear strikes unless they are facing an actual land invasion from India. If that were to happen, Pakistan would target the National Capital Region, India's main center of government and home to between 33-35 million people. The NCR is within range of Pakistani missiles, and because India has a fairly robust anti missile system the only real way to do actual damage is to focus everything onto one target. So they pick New Delhi and its surrounding region, and fire off their 170+ nuclear missiles, hoping to do the most damage possible. Likely 20-30 of those missiles would break through, and the results are that millions or tens of millions of people get slaughtered - mostly the poor, as they do not have access to safety bunkers or the means to flee before the strike. 

India has no first strike policy, but once hit they would stop at nothing to render Pakistan a nuclear wasteland. 250 million people would be in the crossfires of total war, and between the actual strike and the fallout and famine that would follow, this would easily become the deadliest conflict in human history, possible killing over 300 million or higher. That is just the human cost; I can only imagine the runaway consequences so far, but China would almost certainly risk pushing further down the Line of Actual Control in the Himalayas while India is distracted, much of the Middle East would turn against India disrupting some of the world's most vital trade routes, and possibly a wider holy war between Islam and Hinduism would break out, and beyond that who knows? The environmental impact would be not insignificant either, but mostly localized - kind of like a bigger, worse Chernobyl, with far more people downwind of the fallout.

Stewart_Games

Why the fuck do nukes even exist? Can we just 



Talk about that

prisonerofshmazcaban

The headline is NOT an exaggeration.  The American military (or intelligence services, I can't recall) have previously "gamed" a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan as a credible cause of a much more widespread conflict.

MagicSPA

Thanks for giving me an excuse to rock out on the moon...

Hopefully they are loving hits in the wars.. but some outrageous violent acts maybe should be more shocking...

People just go nuts, so it's bound that crazay time rears its inevitable hands

postconsumerwat

I recall a report decades ago that said there is so much lose trash and material in large Indian cities that one being hit by a nuke would cause 8x the fallout of most places.

voidsong

In this case I would caution against alarmism, and remind everyone that Iran full-on attacked Israel a few months ago and everyone thought that was the big ugly thing, and now it has been mostly forgotten. That didn't even escalate into a conventional war, let alone a nuclear one. People tend to back off after initial hostilities. Unless they're American. In most other cases, cooler heads prevail when they realize what's at stake.

SixGunZen

Some clouds don't have a silver lining. 

freesoloc2c

How many nukes did the US detonate over the pacific after WW2?

LiviNG4them

ObedMain35fart

auiin

Ah well, we would just have to see what happens in the future. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-uadSMEdno](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-uadSMEdno)

Neighboring countries that are specifically in conflict over territory are not going to exchange nukes, no.

The-Neat-Meat

This conflict has been raging for a long time, and both countries have had nuclear weapons for quite some time. I don’t think they will use it in this iteration of the war and believe me - it’s better that I’m right.

Bitter-Platypus-1234

This isn't the first time they've had a conflict, won't be the last, I doubt anything will come of it. Not impossible I suppose, but it's far from likely 

!remindme 6 months

The_Phantom_Cat

India is the one fueling the fire, so it is Israel which is one its main allies and weapon/training provider. 
Given Ukraine attention dimmed and eyes started staring back at Gaza, they need other conflict to take the media attention.

That "terrorist" attack that started all this was quite media focused with specific non-muslim victims to frame Pakistan, quite textbook state intelligence work. Paramilitaries had no win with that, the war is clearly being steered on purpose.

ReasonablePossum_

I honestly wish they would. So annoying these constant nuclear blue balls.

LongbottomLeafblower

All these India-Pakistan videos recommendations are really screaming at me

Supernova_Soldier

Mangumm_PL

It seems that they are sending signals to de-escalate and return to diplomacy table ("we will stop if the other country stop")... hopefully powerful countries read those signals and come to help bringing them to diplomacy. 

I keep hearing about how global thermonuclear warfare will supposedly help with the difficult problem of global warming, but I can't support this solution as it would kill people, a huge number of people.

Hilda-Ashe

yeroc420

Both nations possess roughly 170–180 nuclear warheads each and have a long history of conflict, particularly over Kashmir

Experts note that the risk of nuclear use increases with each round of escalation, especially if one side perceives an existential threat or a major loss of territory or military assets.

Many_Trifle7780

well that would help reduce global warming!

_plays_in_traffic_

Already at ceasefire, stop the fear mongering

Sometimes1Wonder

Nothing ever happens, there won't be nukes.

mozambiquecheese

Media criminally overlooks the war between two nuke titans.

monkfreedom

And they say woman are too emotional and yet these men will drag themselves into nuclear war

Dwip_Po_Po

No one is launching nukes over a border dispute that has been going on as long as the country has existed. Last time they fought face to face they didn’t even use guns, just sticks. Just calm down.

Amadeus_1978

This is far from the first time that these two countries have fought each other, but hopefully this one doesn't escalate into a full on war

j-e-m-8-8-8

My college professor 20yrs ago said that's the place for WW3 to start

CeleryCommercial3509

Weird, i have friends there... I plan to meet them. I pray it's not getting worse...

Pfirsich90

I swear there is some diabolical thinktank out there that has deduced nuclear winter is the only way to solve global warming so are pulling strings to get nations to inch closer to some violent population control comboed with terraforming.

Don't get why people think WWIII will start.

Zero reason for any country to escalate beyond diplomacy. A nuclear exchange would be horrible, but only they would be suffering from such attacks.

Sabre_One

Another war is just what the world need the least right now. Scumbags like Putin are probably very happy that war is the new norm now.

tbdwr

I feel like it's a situation similar to Israel &amp; Palestine.  You have two countries, that are being egged on to hate each other driven by religious and central government figureheads.  All the while they sit in safe bunkers or separate countries, piling up money and power while they play war with the lives of peasants they could give zero fucks about. 

When the bullets and bombs start flying, the countries will cry victim and ask for aid.  While the leaders continue to live comfortably and immune from consequences. I don't know if I believe in hell, but if there is hell; and these paper tiger generals aren't there the gods of the universe failed creation.

fisetylime

Honestly, it makes me very uncomfortable with Islamist ideology and its spread. I know that there’s always back-and-forth in conflict between groups, and I am aware that India has acted in ways that have caused harm to civilians, but I also understand that when Islamists fight it is a never-ending conflict.

YogiBarelyThere

pm_ur_pendulousboobs

I just look at them brigading all social media posts and arguing with each other.. I expect protests in front of their respective embassies worldwide. They all embarass themselves with their behaviour.

Pakistans government is a joke, run by the military and a vassal state (I'm Pakistani). 

India's government is very anti-Muslim with an awful leader (look at his history, he encourages division in India for political gain).

Both countries are shitholes that would do much better if they collaborated with each other and eliminated corruption and terrorism. Unfortunately, that's too simple of a solution, so they will continue to fight over Kashmir and water rights for the next decade.

Mohammed-Yusef

Uneasy, but glad they are on the far side of the planet.

JuanOfThree

My grandmother had a saying translating like "go wherever you want, die whenever you must". I m starting to see it very wise the older I become.

BalmdeBono

UK is about to become a whole lot bloodier.

zzgamma

QuantumConversation

I have long felt this was the most dangerous global warming secondary effect outcome of a nuclear war that starts over decreasing fresh water between these countries.

scientician

Nothing, too busy listening russian missiles exploding in the near neighborhood. But there's no wonder that russian allies started another war by attacking Pakistan

inokentii

Maybe my head is in the sand but I’m not too too worried. I’ve seen this play before.

I’m going to guess that Pakistan will retaliate by calling the act “deplorable” then shoot their own missles. India will retaliate with its own force and then it’s back to proxy warfare while both governments shout insults back and forth

Great_THROWSWAY_589

I feel that this decades long tension is exactly where everyone needs it to be. To drop a bomb will piss off too many people, but the constant concern and threats to the other side helps the right-wing just enough to make them think their Gov. is 'doing something', and just enough for the left-wing to continue to vote and elect people that will fight against it. Stalemate? Yup.

louisasnotes

Yeah, I don’t see the whole world being drawn in.

saterned

this situation triggers the feeling that the same shit happened with Ukraine n palastine both countries were used as pawn drim many global powers for their own benefits and now it looks like it's pakistan turn off being used n may b used to project india as a bad country also

donutgut

Another war of stupidity. Neither side will win.

This would not have happened if Harris had been president. It is all Joe Biden's fault. Trump is probably busy trying to find Pakistan ont the map.

Vivid-Asparagus7170

Well, I knew there have been long-ongoing tensions, but that's about all I know, so I'm not gonna jump at having an opinion about something I'm clueless about 😅

Generally I just wish for peace and am mildly annoyed that it seems humanity is inherently unable to keep from killing each other for more than a few years.

SleepySera

"Not this shit again."

I expect this will probably go somewhere along the lines between the 2019 clashes and the 1999 Kargil war, both took place while both sides had nuclear weapons and neither side used them in both. 

If the fighting starts spreading consistently outside of the Kashmir region then I'll consider getting concerned but until then it's just business as usual.

Electricfox5

llililill

They hate each other and it’s Gandhi’s fault

Willysmuck

it's time to remember about Nuclear Gandhi prophecy

glubokoslav

adiking27

As long as the US stays the fuck out of it, I don't really care.

Baloney_Boogie

Not really too worried honestly. These two countries have done this time and again, but never fully commit to all out war. Both have outsized egos but know the risks. They just need someone to talk them down as an excuse to back down. They both realize that a war with a near peer would be long and drawn out, and would benefit no one

Albertuscamus12

canyoufixmyspacebar

Sun Tzu spoke of what he called “attacking with a borrowed knife”. Which is to say, use a third party to attack an enemy and weaken them. 

With that said; I recall the spike in tensions between India and China in Ladakh which led to the death of forty Indian soldiers in a melee with PLA troops in the Galwan valley. Which makes me wonder, how involved is China in the killing coming out of Pakistan? 

China’s financial and military support of Hamas and the Houthi is an open secret, besides, Pakistan gave safe haven to the terrorists the United States was attempting to rid the world of during the occupation of Afghanistan 

Go India, and watch your eastern border for Chinese surprise attacks 

Cheap-Bell-4389

i feel like WW5 is about to kick off 

before you get upset - the cold war war WW3, and the global war on terror was WW4.

BaconHammer9000

Technologically advanced; socially, not so much. Stupidity+power=danger.

Heavy_Direction1547

Pakistan has deserved this for long damn time

No_Magazine_2293

Inevitable based on how Britain split this former colony

acousticburrito

Feels like more trolling will happen on reddit. Allah bots vs bjp bots let's roll

hangender

maler27

It is stupid. 
Two countries have a fight over nothing, probably to make people look away from real problems.
I do, however, not think that any of the two countries have any interest in a large-scale war. But it can go on for years.

Nordjyde

I just hope one of them is brave enough to use a nuclear warhead, im sick and tired of going to work

Scares the shit out of me. Pakistan culture has nukes! Never should have happened.

Big-block427

China would be waaaaaaaaaaay more happier. Like jumping and hollaring level happy. The type of happiness you see only in white suburban golden retrievers.

bat_030

&gt; Let's say USA, USSR and every other nuclear power came to consensus, that development of nuclear weapons by any other country is completely unacceptable.

They did that and tried to bully as many minor powers into non-proliferation as possible to maintain relative global stability. 

Nobody permitted or helped India or Pakistan develop nuclear weapons.

&gt; Threats of invasion from international coalition, discouraged India and Pakistan from even attempting development of nuclear weapon.

Would simply justify why their governments need to develop a nuclear deterrent from invasion. Its not like any country could successfully invade either anyway.

&gt; What if India and Pakistan have never created nuclear weapon?

Probably the same for you and me, but Indo-Pak border skirmishes could become more violent and more common without the threat of nuclear retaliation. 

However its not like having nuclear weapons stopped or reduced any skirmishes though. In fact, they increased after Pakistan developed nukes and began when India did.

So there's little actual evidence nuclear deterrence directly helped stabilize either country.

Nowadays most cross-border attacks are counter-terrorism operations where terrorists attack and then flee into the other country, usually Pakistan. 

The offical military confrontations between India and Pakistan could be larger in scale but not escalate to all-out war as neither government is interested in that.

If anything, the world would be as or more peaceful in this scenario where neither has nukes.

Deep_Belt8304

The world would be a much safer place for everyone its the US and the Soviets had agreed to keep nuclear weapons to themselves, and be willing to invade a country together that tried to develop them on their own.  We need both to reduce the number of atomic weapons each has now, how many times do you have to bounce the ruble of a destroyed city to say you finished the job?

seiowacyfan

Isn't that what happened in real life too? 

America tried its best to stop India from developing nuclear weapons, the first experiment was even intercepted by the intelligence,

Many years later India did it's first nuclear test while hiding it from other countries

Rude_Concert_3798

Pakistan and India would have gotten into at least one major war.

Grimnir001

Recent statements from Pakistan Army Chief Asim Munir have escalated tensions with India, as he issued nuclear threats during his visit to the US, claiming that Pakistan would retaliate massively if facing an existential threat.

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